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 | wildbill
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 36 Brandon, MS 
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2004-01-18 74405
Drove a 4410 with epowrreverser the other day. Tractor had a very good shuttle response in A and B range. I have driven the eHydro as well and seemed very responsive. I have not experienced either one in a loaded situation such as pulling or climbing a steep grade under load. Two different dealers have pushed one over the other. If I intend to do garden/ground work such as pulling a disc and ploughing in addition to loader work which is the optimum trany to go with?
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 | Chief
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee 
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2004-01-18 74406
My preference would be with the ehydro. I see that you do some tree farming. I have been using my 4410 to skid some very large trees and the ehydro really makes this much easier. It allows me to gradually apply power to a load or choker cable as well as make very fine movements in tight quarters. I use A range when pulling real heavy. I have pulled logs so large that all four tires just dug in but never have I run out of power. I don't think you would have any problem pulling a plow or disc with ehydro. The ePowerReverser trans has its uses and strong points but I feel the eHydro as the widest variety of applications. ....
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| wildbill
Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 36 Brandon, MS
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2004-01-18 74407
Chief, have you ever experienced overheating with the hydro under sustained long periods of lugging such as one might encounter during ploughing or snaking logs. Also how fast can you go? ....
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 | Billy
Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 975 Southeast Oklahoma 
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2004-01-18 74410
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This is on a JD 4610 eHydro, pulling a Preifert Offset Litter Saver with the tailgate open about 4". The depth of the litter runs around 6" +/-. Engine RPMs set at 21 to 2,200, toggle between medium and low range.
I've tilled 6 to 8 hours straight, in 90 to 100+ degree weather. Done this numerous times with no overheating problem.
One more thing. I had a JD 4600 gear before the now 4610 hydro. I couldn't tell any difference in the temp.
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| Chief
Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4297 Southwest MiddleTennessee
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2004-01-18 74419
wildbill, I have never had any over heating problems. The trans. oil can get pretty warm but that is with pretty much any machine under a heavy load. As far as speed; the tractor can go way faster than ground conditions allow. I have never had it wide open in C range but the book says 4.5 mph in A range
8.7 mph in B range
17.5 mph in C range
I have driven behind a 4710 in my car and clocked it at 17 mph so they are plenty fast enough. ....
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| TomG
Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5406 Upper Ottawa Valley
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2004-01-19 74442
If heat is a problem, I remember a very old discussion in the archives. I believe the conclusion was that HSTs' run cooler with synthetic oils. ....
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 | Art White
Join Date: Jan 2000 Posts: 6898 Waterville New York
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2004-01-19 74445
Wildbill, there is some people that have all these horror stories of hydro failures. I have been a dealer that has sold them for over thirty years and the only horrors that I can think of is what some people that call themselves mechanics worked on them thruogh experimentation. Some mechanics aren't smart enouogh to know what they do and don't and wait till they have the proper information to fix a machine. I consider the hydro much like some of the repairs I've seen on computers that have been being used for nearly 20 years on tractors. I don't take a Chevy to a Ford garage as a normal, unfortunatly some times it gets billed as the veichles fault and not the mechanics fault do to lack of education. We have had excellent luck with hydro's for longevity as well as little or no failure. They are when repairs are needed in need of a technician not a mechanic. I find that everyone has there comfort level and some people can get in over there head as to how to fix or even diagose a problem and I don't like to just change parts. Interesting enough I belong to a dealer to dealer service on the internet to help us find equipment. A dealer from Nebraska was looking to sell a IH 656 gas hydro. It did have frseh paint but no three point hitch installed on the tractor altough at one time it did have it and 2900 original hours. He was looking for 6500 for me to purchase. Mind you this tractor comes from the late 60's and retail was $7895. For something that has been stated that real farmers don't use hydro's or they have no resale value is incorrect as this tractor is at a deere dealership. ....
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